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More doggerel. - Wemyss's Appalling Hobby:
From the Party Guilty of Committing 'Gate of Ivory, Gate of Horn'
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More doggerel.

Lines addressed to a charming but feckless undergraduate by the Dean and SCR

 

You charmed us and amused us.  You were gated.

Although we chortled, you were rusticated.

And now, although we hide smiles ’neath a frown,

We warn that one more jape sees you – sent down.

 

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velvet_tipping From: velvet_tipping Date: August 25th, 2008 05:25 pm (UTC) (Link)
that is, to me?
wemyss From: wemyss Date: August 25th, 2008 08:24 pm (UTC) (Link)

Hardly.

Fecklessness is not something one cd reasonably attribute to you.
velvet_tipping From: velvet_tipping Date: August 25th, 2008 08:27 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Hardly.

im a very feckless child.
fpb From: fpb Date: August 25th, 2008 08:53 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Hardly.

IN that case, you took some rather cumbrous names. I have enough Sanskrit left to know what a Mahakavya and an Itihasa are.
velvet_tipping From: velvet_tipping Date: August 25th, 2008 08:54 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Hardly.

lol, then you are in a very small minority.
fpb From: fpb Date: August 25th, 2008 09:00 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Hardly.

Outside India, yeah.
velvet_tipping From: velvet_tipping Date: August 25th, 2008 09:05 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Hardly.

even inside india the teaching of sanskrit isn't as common as it used to be
sgt_majorette From: sgt_majorette Date: August 25th, 2008 06:36 pm (UTC) (Link)
Rusticated -- I think that's what we call suspension
Gated -- ??
Sent Down -- Expulsion?
fpb From: fpb Date: August 25th, 2008 06:58 pm (UTC) (Link)

GAAAH! What is the matter with me? Every time I write something I make a mistake

Gated - denied the right to go around town in daytime.
Rusticated - sent away for a period, or indefinitely. The last step before expulsion.
Sent down - expelled. (I was.)

I am not sure whether these terms are common to British universities, or whether they are restricted to Oxford and Cambridge. I asked our illustrious host if he knows. Certainly the two ancient universities have a whole lot of expressions of their own - battels (food bills), bumped, torpids (to do with rowing), tripos (a Cambridge degree exam), etc.
velvet_tipping From: velvet_tipping Date: August 25th, 2008 08:32 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: GAAAH! What is the matter with me? Every time I write something I make a mistake

They are actually common all over the former British empire and not just restricted to universities. My uncle was rusticated from his private school in India, for example.
fpb From: fpb Date: August 25th, 2008 08:37 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: GAAAH! What is the matter with me? Every time I write something I make a mistake

Ah, but in some ways it is easier for an Indian college to be influenced by Oxford than for a twentieth-century English university to be. There has in several places been a definite attempt to establish something unlike the two ancient universities.
velvet_tipping From: velvet_tipping Date: August 25th, 2008 08:44 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: GAAAH! What is the matter with me? Every time I write something I make a mistake

yeah, that's my point, the imperialist history ;)
wemyss From: wemyss Date: August 25th, 2008 08:25 pm (UTC) (Link)

Quite.

Rem acu and all that.
fpb From: fpb Date: August 25th, 2008 06:53 pm (UTC) (Link)

Curiosity

Are these terms - gated, rusticated, sent down, etc. - limited to the two places, or are they more widely used in British universities?
ringbark From: ringbark Date: August 25th, 2008 08:04 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Curiosity

Gated: frequently used in public (i.e. private) boarding schools too. Effectively means the same as "grounded".

Rusticated: I believe the term is restricted to Oxford and Cambridge. In Oxford, theoretically means prevented from coming within six miles of Carfax.

Sent down: My understanding is that it only refers to those who were removed from the University for a disciplinary offence. On the other hand, this might simply be my denial process.
fpb From: fpb Date: August 25th, 2008 08:15 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Curiosity

Hmm. I failed a language exam three times running, and I thaought that counted as being sent down.
ringbark From: ringbark Date: August 25th, 2008 08:19 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Curiosity

I failed Mods in Mathematics. Theoretically, though without support from my tutor, I could have taken Maths Prelims at the start of the next Michaelmas Term, but chose not to do so.

I went on to graduate from the University of Liverpool.
fpb From: fpb Date: August 25th, 2008 08:20 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Curiosity

My language exam was in Sanskrit for a Sanskrit BA. I did very well on the culture and religion side, and eventually graduated in Social Anthropology and Religious Studies from the School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London.
ringbark From: ringbark Date: August 25th, 2008 08:31 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Curiosity

My problem was that I was taking Mathematics. At A Level, I had taken Pure Mathematics and Statistics, so that my knowledge of Applied Mathematics was minimal. (Also, there was a reason I had chosen Statistics rather than Applied...) The upshot of this was I struggled and struggled with the Applied Mathematics part of the course.
If I had been able to pass Mods, I could have carried on with pretty much nothing but Pure Mathematics for the remainder of the degree.

Too late, I discovered the course I should have taken: Mathematics and Philosophy. This takes the Pure part of Mathematics and the Philosophy part of PPE and parcels them up into what would have been a superb course for me. But nobody told me that this course existed. Perhaps I should have researched option more thoroughly. But as it was almost thirty years ago, there is no point in worrying about it now.
fpb From: fpb Date: August 25th, 2008 10:08 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Curiosity

I don't think there really was a course for me at Oxford. The fact is that I wanted to study ancient India and Sanskrit was and remains necessary. However, I did not realize that I had no talent whatever for languages, so it could not work for me. I had to reorientate myself.
wemyss From: wemyss Date: August 25th, 2008 08:23 pm (UTC) (Link)

Hmmm.

No idea as to the Scots universities. Relatively sure the terms are also used at TCD. Must look this out.

Edited at 2008-08-25 08:23 pm (UTC)
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