?

Log in

entries friends calendar profile AT: Gate of Ivory, Gate of Horn Previous Previous Next Next
Historical parallels reasonably priced. - Wemyss's Appalling Hobby:
From the Party Guilty of Committing 'Gate of Ivory, Gate of Horn'
wemyss
wemyss
Historical parallels reasonably priced.
A US Senator of a year and a half's experience secures his place on the national ticket.  He is backed by a famous general officer who is a moderate Republican.  To question him is to be denounced as wicked and un-American.  This, even though his prior political endeavours have had some dodgy moments and his associations are rather worrisome: a fact he elides with a rhetorical triumph in a rather specious address that comes over well on the telly.

Well.  If Americans do wish to elect, in Barry Francis Michael Patrick Xavier O'Bama, a modernised version of the 1952 Dick Nixon, that's their pigeon, but I for one will be taken aback, having thought better of them and given them more credit for good sense and native intelligence.

Tags:

31 comments or Leave a comment
Comments
fpb From: fpb Date: October 21st, 2008 09:36 pm (UTC) (Link)
Actually the parallel had occurred to me. The big difference is that not even his mother would have said that Richard Milhous was handsome.
wemyss From: wemyss Date: October 22nd, 2008 01:46 pm (UTC) (Link)

True enough.

He - like that oddly reminiscent figure Mr Huckabee - had that ancestral mosstrooper face.
mzlizzy From: mzlizzy Date: October 21st, 2008 10:25 pm (UTC) (Link)
Somehow good sense and native intelligence seem to get sidelined every election year.

I'm planning on voting for Obama, not because he's always been my choice, but because McCain and Palin scare me a lot more.
wemyss From: wemyss Date: October 22nd, 2008 01:49 pm (UTC) (Link)

As is yr right.

Wh is all one can really say, save to say, Thank you, for responding politely, as all who have actually here responded have done (what has happened elsewhere as a result of my 'blasphemy' is another matter).
shezan From: shezan Date: October 22nd, 2008 12:01 am (UTC) (Link)
Am emailing yo an enlightening article about Powell.
wemyss From: wemyss Date: October 22nd, 2008 01:50 pm (UTC) (Link)

Done and done.

In fact, I dimly recall having seen that in '95. Well done, you, to have remembered that all this time. (My own quarrels had more to do with that wee bugger Armitage.)
shezan From: shezan Date: October 22nd, 2008 06:16 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Done and done.

I very rarely bear a grudge, but I do remember how that idiot Powell practically opened the way for Villepin and Chirac to WALK ALL OVER HIM by conceding that their good opinion mattered more than 17 UN Title 7 resolutions. Faugh!
wemyss From: wemyss Date: October 23rd, 2008 01:13 pm (UTC) (Link)

Oh, no. That was Blair's fault.

Instead of saying, simply, See here, the armistice has been violated again and again; the previous coalition have the right and the duty, with or without more resolutions here at Chez Irresolution, to resume hostilities; the strategic calculus has changed and there is no remaining reason to hold back, if ever there were consule Clinton; ergo, here we go - instead, the US tried to give Tony political cover with his ghastly backbenchers, cocking up operations all for - Clare Short?!?
(Deleted comment)
wemyss From: wemyss Date: October 22nd, 2008 02:00 pm (UTC) (Link)

Ah.

I shall be more clear in future. (I'm not, by the way, pro-Bush as such, although most of what he's done has been the right thing to have done, however botched in execution; I am rather more anti-anti-Bush, as his detractors - I mean as amongst politicians and journos, not You the People - are persons whom I hold in utter contempt.)

So: clarification.

'A US Senator of a year and a half's experience [Mr Nixon; Mr Obama] secures his place on the national ticket [Mr Nixon in 1952 as Vice President; Mr Obama now]. He is backed by a famous general officer who is a moderate Republican [for Mr Nixon, General Eisenhower; for Mr Obama, General Powell]. To question him [the candidate]is to be denounced as wicked and un-American [as to Mr Nixon, 'pinko'; as to Mr Obama, all criticism is held by many of his disciples to be de facto racist]. This, even though his [the candidate's] prior political endeavours have had some dodgy moments and his associations are rather worrisome: a fact he elides with a rhetorical triumph in a rather specious address that comes over well on the telly. [Mr Nixon, the Checkers spech; Mr Obama, every gaseous pi-jaw he's ever given]'
(Deleted comment)
wemyss From: wemyss Date: October 22nd, 2008 03:10 pm (UTC) (Link)

Well, as Dave Cameron cruelly said to Tony Blair...

'You were the future, once': hard to believe, but at one time, pre-JFK, Dick Nixon was the Rising Young Politician of a New Generation.
(Deleted comment)
tekalynn From: tekalynn Date: October 23rd, 2008 06:23 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Well, as Dave Cameron cruelly said to Tony Blair...

My earliest political memory is watching Nixon on TV saying "I am not a crook", and my grandfather banging his fist on the dinner table and shouting "He's a crook! He's a crook!"
(Deleted comment)
wemyss From: wemyss Date: October 23rd, 2008 01:15 pm (UTC) (Link)

Yes. He was, wasn't he.

And he wasn't even a Chicago machine politician with ties to Rezko and Acorn.
(Deleted comment)
wemyss From: wemyss Date: October 23rd, 2008 01:46 pm (UTC) (Link)

I'll let Shezan make the running on this.

Suffice it to say that the Times and the Torygraph have informed British readers of every detail of this story over the past year and a bit. You might look out their coverage.

It's sad, if predictable, that the matter has been so papered over in America.

One thing is certain: in the UK, this sort of tie - 'loose' or not - would be the basis for a political firestorm and an enquiry or two, and quite possibly lead to the politicians involved being interviewed under caution by the Met.
(Deleted comment)
wemyss From: wemyss Date: October 23rd, 2008 03:22 pm (UTC) (Link)

Yes, well.

As I say, I've not all this at my fingertips just now, as Shezan doubtless has. That said, this by Martin Fletcher is more indicative:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4938285.ece
(Deleted comment)
wemyss From: wemyss Date: October 23rd, 2008 01:17 pm (UTC) (Link)

Hmm.

I'm taking that as 'bums' in the American sense.

If the youth in question were the generations of '68 and '72, I'm rather more of Nixon's mind than of your father's.
(Deleted comment)
wemyss From: wemyss Date: October 23rd, 2008 01:41 pm (UTC) (Link)

I hold no brief for Dick Nixon.

And I do take yr point.

However, there are limits.

An Ebert or a Schiedemann, confronting the 'youth of the country' goosestepping about ('the future belongs to us!'), has no duty to be supportive or optimistic, surely? And when one concedes that radicals of the Left are as inhuman as those of the Right, well....
tekalynn From: tekalynn Date: October 22nd, 2008 05:58 am (UTC) (Link)
I have voted for Obama in this election (yes, past tense--I mailed in my ballot last week), because I looked at the candidates and decided that he was the one I most wanted as President of the United States. I do not think he is the best candidate ever. I do not think McCain is the worst candidate ever. I do believe that Obama is the best we have right now and he is the one I trust the most.

That's my vote. For good or ill, we'll see in the future. I choose to believe that it is for good, or at least the better.
wemyss From: wemyss Date: October 22nd, 2008 01:53 pm (UTC) (Link)

And see we indeed shall.

As for the rest of it, well: out of affection and, frankly, self-interest, I always wish the US well. I hope I am wrong about Mr Obama, shd he in fact secure election. I fear I am not, but, as you say, we shall see. Suffice it to say he is not a man I could ever trust in any way soever.
tekalynn From: tekalynn Date: October 23rd, 2008 06:26 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: And see we indeed shall.

I always wish the US well.

Political differences aside, thank you.
(Deleted comment)
wemyss From: wemyss Date: October 23rd, 2008 01:19 pm (UTC) (Link)

Perhaps.

And yes, Tony is another appalling precedent.

I realise it is fashionable to call Governor Plain 'crazy and corrupt', but I don't see any factual basis for either charge, myself.
(Deleted comment)
tekalynn From: tekalynn Date: October 24th, 2008 09:21 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Perhaps.

I don't believe she's corrupt, I believe she's...petty. And far too prone to whipping up crowd hostility and looking innocent about it.

Well, we'll see.
31 comments or Leave a comment