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A cross-post - well, link.

To my latest, Appro Aggro and the Economics of Fandom Exchange: Discrimination Costs, Opportunity Costs, Human Capital Issues, Heckman Corrections, and the Alchian-Allen Theorem, at:




In which I apply the sweet reason of economics, that soundest of guides, to the current meta-fury in which some gay men are denouncing slash and some women slashers are, apparently, saying that slash isn’t about gay men.  Sigh.  As it happens, it doesn’t matter who, if either, of these may or mayn’t be right – but read the piece.

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leni_jess From: leni_jess Date: January 30th, 2010 07:55 pm (UTC) (Link)
Thank you for posting the link.

I don't generally happen on controversy when it's newly baked, and don't generally follow it when chance draws it to my attention (because all too often it's half-baked, and far too often uncharitable and mean by preference). So I probably wouldn't have investigated this current wank, though a whiff of it has been floating about for a little while, and has at last come to my nose (and the positions taken by varying parties are not exactly new, if the summaries I've seen are just). However, it was pleasing to see the light of reason (and reasonableness) thrown upon it. I read the post with interest. (However, few who say, "Cool it," get listened to, so your appeal to sense is probably in vain.)

You hold many views I don't share, though I don't propose to argue them with you, either; but most of your views are rationally and readably expressed. I thought of friending that journal, but as, so far, the posts are few, I will rely on you to point to anything of interest (and in general economics is not an interest of mine), just as I occasionally go to your Torygraph posts.

If any reader expresses a desire to be spared such links, please resist the notion of obliging. Everyone has a back button, and no one is compelled to follow a link.

Edited at 2010-01-30 07:58 pm (UTC)
wemyss From: wemyss Date: January 30th, 2010 08:53 pm (UTC) (Link)

Oh, not at all.

I'm obliged to you for slogging through the damned thing.
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wemyss From: wemyss Date: January 31st, 2010 07:18 am (UTC) (Link)

Come, come, this will never do.

I am not commonly – I hope – so unclear. You write,

Your patience on the gay-picking issue on the grounds that the market will fix it is at absolute odds with your impatience about Brit-picking, you realize.

But surely this is wrong? We – you and I and all of us – are the market, and the market forces I am speaking of are precisely the demand you refer to as my impatience about Britpicking. In the fannish market, I am a consumer and a producer: of fiction, of some smattering of what might generously be called art, of criticism: and I am a producer of and intermediary for the services of ‘Britpicking’ (one of many, naturally) and a consumer who demands that those services have been used in the production of the fiction I consume. This is how the transactional system works.

I also apologise that I was obscure in my analogy. Yes, of course persons of colour, and Jews, amongst others, are subject to the same sort of appropriation (usual caveat here) as gay men are in slash. But I have heard throughout my fannish life of the three genres as being, gen, het, and slash: there is no actual genre of racial or religious Appropriation-Fic that I know of. And what I wonder is why the former is not subject to the same objections as the latter, or, when it is, why a palliative discourse (‘it’s not really about gays, dear, it’s women writing for women in a Space of Our Own, which, by the way, you want to leave now before the chucker-out chucks you out’) is resorted to – even by some and not, thank God, by all – that, were it advanced in the analogous instances, shouldn’t be tolerated for a moment.

As to your other query, I can only reiterate that I have yet to find any area of human interaction or endeavour that cannot soundly and profitably be analysed and then effectively acted upon by economic principles. I don’t see that as particularly or peculiarly Marxist, I may add: if it is, Hayek and Mises must be very surprised in the afterlife (and Smith in an absolute bate).
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wemyss From: wemyss Date: January 31st, 2010 06:21 pm (UTC) (Link)

Political solutions and market forces.

I'm not altogether certain there's a meaningful distinction, so long as legislation is not involved (and not, perhaps, even then).

I quite agree with yr concluding paragraph.
sgt_majorette From: sgt_majorette Date: January 31st, 2010 03:55 am (UTC) (Link)

Sorry to be such an old spinster-lady, but just now

...there are masked lunatics with guns running through the building next door. Plus I have to set up the webcam for my online Navajo weaving class.

I tried to read it, I really did, but, you know... thanks for the cut.
But if Harry and his apples and his Draco and their very entertaining children ever show up, the masked lunatics know what they may do with their guns...
wemyss From: wemyss Date: January 31st, 2010 07:17 am (UTC) (Link)

Well, you could perhaps knit balaclavas for the masked gunmen?

My dear friend, of course no one is obliged to read my ramblings save when it pleases them. Have a pint of cider instead.
sgt_majorette From: sgt_majorette Date: January 31st, 2010 12:27 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Well, you could perhaps knit balaclavas for the masked gunmen?

They're teenagers. I'm at that age where I hate teenagers. If I had a lawn, I would fuss at them to get off it. And poke them with my cane.

Cider, yes... Horchata okay? We're very Mexican around here.

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wemyss From: wemyss Date: January 31st, 2010 06:19 pm (UTC) (Link)

Perhaps some Dabinett from a Somerset real cider maker?

We're terribly West Country 'round here.
el_staplador From: el_staplador Date: January 31st, 2010 09:58 pm (UTC) (Link)
I found that a most interesting piece, though my knowledge of economics is limited to the point of non-existence, and I've been staying well out of the wankery, since I don't write m/m (sheer failure of imagination, I think!) and rarely read it. Thank you for linking!
wemyss From: wemyss Date: January 31st, 2010 10:59 pm (UTC) (Link)

Thank you.

I'm greatly obliged.
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