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In Which We Are Introduced.
Right, then.

The biography and the links I chose to put up are the extent of my self-revelation. This is, basically, a fic journal, tout court. (Actually, it’s my latest instance of doing precisely what frances_jane, balfrog, and magic_at_mungos tell me to do. Oh, and wren_chan. It’s safer that way. They’re the Black Sisters plus Tonks, when it comes to it.) Point being, there will be no nasty reality, political, social, or otherwise, intruding here, or I’ll know the reason why. (I admit in advance that that rule may not be proof against reality-based ranting anent the Ashes, in due course.)

Let us then proceed - by way of introduction.

Gate of Ivory, Gate of Horn is the fic. The synopsis is simple enough:
Harry and Draco are dreaming dreams. The same dreams. The same, possibly precognitive dreams. The Headmaster knows this. He also knows that trying to fiddle a prophecy is rather dicey: look at Œdipus at the crossroads, Tom Riddle at Godric’s Hollow....

And some dreams are worse than nightmares to the lads: if dreams of victory are counted as marred by visions of a future together, that is.

These are the chapters to date:

Chapter One: And Joseph Said Unto Pharaoh;
Chapter Two: Whereupon, O King Agrippa, I Was Not Disobedient Unto the Heavenly Vision;
Chapter Three: Where There Is No Vision, the People Perish;
Chapter Four: Warned of God in a Dream;
Chapter Five: The Falcon In Its Widening Gyre;
Chapter Six: ‘That Dweam Within a Dweam’;
Chapter Seven: A City That Is At Unity In Itself;
Chapter Eight: Land of Hope and Glory
Chapter Nine: Lessons and Carols.

That should do to be getting on with.

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magic_at_mungos From: magic_at_mungos Date: June 17th, 2005 07:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
Pfft. And which Black sister am I, may I ask?
wemyss From: wemyss Date: June 17th, 2005 07:22 pm (UTC) (Link)

Any Of 'Em You Choose.

I'm not mad enough to say you nay.
magic_at_mungos From: magic_at_mungos Date: June 17th, 2005 07:25 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Any Of 'Em You Choose.

As frogslyr has dibsed Narcissa, I shall bagsy Andi on the grounds I'm not quite as mad as Bella! :D
wemyss From: wemyss Date: June 18th, 2005 09:22 pm (UTC) (Link)

Well, It's Yr Pigeon.

But remember, Tinker comes with the role.
magic_at_mungos From: magic_at_mungos Date: June 18th, 2005 10:10 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Well, It's Yr Pigeon.

*raises eyebrow* I am a Black. I think I can manage Tinker. :P
wemyss From: wemyss Date: June 20th, 2005 02:48 pm (UTC) (Link)

Well, Well.

That's the authentic tone.
From: balfrog Date: June 17th, 2005 07:12 pm (UTC) (Link)
heee- I should link this page instead.

and I dibs Narcissa.

(because of my unwarranted love for my boy...)
wemyss From: wemyss Date: June 17th, 2005 07:24 pm (UTC) (Link)

Right, Then. Bags Frog the Narcissa Role.

Far be it from me to interfere.
From: balfrog Date: June 17th, 2005 07:27 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Right, Then. Bags Frog the Narcissa Role.

poor Fran. Maybe we should toss a coin.

You and your Black harem.
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From: balfrog Date: June 18th, 2005 01:11 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Right, Then. Bags Frog the Narcissa Role.


though you're the blondie and my hair is mostly black. haha. Yes, bad days, we are all quite quite mad in here.
wemyss From: wemyss Date: June 18th, 2005 09:19 pm (UTC) (Link)

If You Choose to BE Your Inner Bella...

Warn a chap first, please, love. I scent danger here.
wren_chan From: wren_chan Date: June 18th, 2005 08:18 am (UTC) (Link)
*delighted squeal* Tonks? I get to be Tonks? *faints w/joy* *is bit by the kitten and leaps fifteen feet in the air, knocking over a folding chair, three stacks of textbooks, and a plastic vase, but somehow miraculously avoiding the laptop*

...well, perhaps not so surprising, then. ^^
wemyss From: wemyss Date: June 18th, 2005 04:43 pm (UTC) (Link)


But then, you'll save lashings of dosh, not having to buy hair-dye.
wren_chan From: wren_chan Date: June 18th, 2005 08:36 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Type-Casting?

And a blessing it is, too. *turns her hair bright red and pops out to buy videogames*
wemyss From: wemyss Date: June 18th, 2005 09:21 pm (UTC) (Link)

Yes, Well.

Don't forget the Drooble's Best.

By the way, I love yr icon, but I don't see the top of Draco's head at the bottom margin - is this an error?
wren_chan From: wren_chan Date: June 19th, 2005 01:59 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Yes, Well.

Merely a sad lack, so far as I ken--I got it off another LJ personage in icon form. I've since seen more of the pic--and that in a version that gave us more of him, thanks be--but even in that, no Draco, alas. I've always decided that it was Draco took the picture. ^^
avus From: avus Date: June 18th, 2005 07:50 pm (UTC) (Link)
Welcome to livejournal. With your permission, I shall friend you immediately.

I thought the icon on your posting was Salisbury Cathedral. And I notice you have an interest in Salisbury. My wife & I have visited twice, and it's one of our favorite places. The Cathedral & its Close are a dream. My greatest sadness, other than not being able to get there often, is that I've not yet heard their choir. If I may, I'll confess an addiction: Choral Evensong. When we're in England, I wangle our schedule to get to as many as possible. I have a recording of the Salisbury choir, and in that setting, it must be wonderful.

I'm delighted you're here, as I still owe you my thoughts on your first chapter or two. The McKeon article, on which you commented, I read primarily to think through some of the issues you raised in "Gates" about choice. (Or more precisely, that the Colonel raised about choice. Choice, duty, ethics -- good topics -- more directly central to "Gates" than to "Getting Harry Back", but still there in my story. Your take on it was somewhat different from mine, or at least different from what I've thought through so far. (Which I delight in -- differences. They're how we learn, grow, change.) It may still be a few weeks, but with you fully on lj, it's so much easier to go back & forth.

So welcome, and I look forward to our exchanges.

And I respect your first statement, that you are strictly limiting self-revelations, and I shall hold off my one additional guess. Your interests, other than fly-fishing, were no surprise. Have you, by any chance, read our American classic, A River Runs Through It? If not, I heartily recommend it. (Don't both w/ the movie.) It's author, Norman McLean (sp?) was a close colleague of McKeon. They published together on several occasions. (If you're not careful, I'll bury you in trivia.)
wemyss From: wemyss Date: June 18th, 2005 09:17 pm (UTC) (Link)

My Dear Fellow!

No permission needed, at all.

And yes, I have read ARRTI. Quite the work. Curious, really, that fishing, shooting, hunting, farming, and bee-keeping have been the base for so many literary classics - since the Classical age.

You may note that tow of my sidebar links (A Pious Foundation and A Pious Appeal) go to the Cathedral website and its appeal, respectively. You are quite right about the loveliness of Sarum and its cathedral and choir.

I also look forward to our more ready communication. Super to be on LJ with you.
avus From: avus Date: June 18th, 2005 09:37 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: My Dear Fellow!

One of my great pleasures, as a grad student chant singer for a little Episcopal church service, was to English a few of the Sarum-rite chants and sing them.

The gem was an antiphon for Maundy Thursday, with a stunning melisma (a long series of notes on a single syllable; my apologies if you already knew this, as you probably did), on caput. That melisma became the cantus firmus, the musical foundation of several beautiful 15th polyphonic mass settings -- Dufay, Ockeghem and, I believe, Obrecht -- perhaps others.

Regarding your references to many classics, except for ARRTI I have heard of, but regretfully not read them. So little time, so many good things go read.

My favorite bit of bee is from the chant for Easter Midnight Mass, at the lighting of the Pascal candle. I should remember the name of that chant.... Ach, so much I've forgotten -- last sung, perhaps last heard 30 years ago.

And a phrase from Yeats comes to me, something like, "and sit alone in the bee-loud glade" -- oh, dear, I can't remember the title of that poem either. A place on a lake in northwest Ireland, as I recall. I remembered that this morning, as I passed our lovely stand of mountain bluebells (mertensia) which were in full bloom and covered with bees. Though among polinators at our cabin, 8,000 feet on Pikes Peak, hummingbirds have the auditory place of pride.

May you find LJ a pleasant home.
avus From: avus Date: June 18th, 2005 09:47 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: My Dear Fellow!

Another piece dropped into my slow-working skull.

Change-bell ringing & St. Mary's.

I remember its wonderful medieval wall-painting, and I spent an hour listening to their change-bell ringing. Do I recall correctly? Right outside the Close?

They had change-bell ringers within hearing distance of our apartment at the University of Chicago. Once, when I was conducting an outdoor band concert -- long story -- I included the change-bell ringers in the 1812 Overture -- the bells of Moscow. Great fun cuing them in and watching the surprised looks in the audience. At the University Chapel, Rockefeller Chapel (England names its churches after saints, Yanks after business men. Sigh.), we had the 2nd largest carillon in the world. My best friend played it regularly. Quite a walk to the top, perhaps as high as Salisbury Cathedral.

I do so love the sound of bells, especially the regular sound of bells marking the times of the day. I delight in their music. After the people & the library, bells are what I miss most about Hyde Park (the neighborhood of the University of Chicago, not, obviously, London.)
wemyss From: wemyss Date: June 19th, 2005 10:04 am (UTC) (Link)

Bugger. Baffling.

The icon's St Mary the Virgin, Wylye, well outside the town - a ring of 6, tenor 9-3-16 (1,108 lbs) in G#; rung alternate w All Saints, Steeple Langford; four Felstead peals of record. St Mary's serves Bapton and Fisherton de la Mere as well as Wylye, and wd be H&D's parish in the fic.

Now, as to Sarum.... What is now the nearest church to the Close, on Exeter Street, is St Osmund ... wh is RC. Next nearest, and C of E, is the town parish, St Thomas (in fact, SS Thos & Edmund, but never so called), on the market square cheek by jowl w the Guildhall. It has a painted Doom over the chancel arch, and its bells are a ring of 8, tenor 25-0-18 (2,818 lbs) in Db; 82 Felstead peals of record, and rung twice each Sunday, morning and afternoon. Do you think that might be it?
avus From: avus Date: June 20th, 2005 03:20 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Bugger. Baffling.

Yes, it's St. Thomas. That was the painting -- Doom. And that's where the painting was -- over the chancel arch -- marvellously vivid. I think I've got a booklet somewhere about that. Obviously, I translated St. Tom closer to the Close in my memory. (Memories are such flexible things, aren't they? Not to mention often a tad on the self-serving side.)

You're certain more, ahem, in tune with the bells than I was. Never done any change-ringing, though I've heard quite a bit of it.

If I may digress. I've done some thinking about your avoiding philosophy. Please don't. I would go far to avoid philosophical contention, strife, rants, that sort of garbage. But any thoughtful conversation, respectful of differences & the intentions of those who differ -- that must be a good thing, true?

Dialogue, conversation, especially around differences, even more especially around great differences, these are things which should be modelled by all who are capable -- especially in philosophy & ethics & politics. I find in such conversations, sadly rare, that I both learn & clarify.

Given what you've put in your LJ, I assume you're Tory, and at least on some issues, relatively conservative. I'm openly a liberal Democrat, in the States. We've both had enough RL experience to make our thoughts & positions much more than either merely personal or purely theortical.

I would absolutely assume, in any of your positions, your good intentions, your careful considerations, your openness to correct error, and your understanding that while Truth, like Good & Beauty & their opposites, does exist, our apprehension, expression & application can often be spotty, and certainly & reasonably diverse.

I would, myself, try to live up to the above, and would definitely be open to correction when I slipped. (I always reserve the right to slip, to be in error, to be a damnfool, etc. But I am often educable.)

I remember one of my teachers saying, "But that would mean there was only one truth. Why would anyone want that?" And I assure you that the man -- Eugene Gendlin -- was neither a relativist nor naive, and he was a most careful & experienced thinking.

So, once again, I entreat. Hmmm? I can propose a forum, should you like. And I'm open to many approaches.

I am almost certainly less well-read in philosophy & theology than you. But I would try to bring a thoughtfulness to such discussions, and some experience in thinking & feeling about the varieties of the human condition.
wemyss From: wemyss Date: June 20th, 2005 02:47 pm (UTC) (Link)


I'm certainly no ringer, either: I've neither the manual dexterity nor the mental acuity. Trot me to the lectern to read the lesson, and I can stumble through to 'here endeth', shove me in the choir to sing bass, and all is well: but don't let me loose in any belfry.

And I quite agree we're both old enough to talk philosophy in a civilised manner (and don't think, please, I am any more well-read than are you). My reservations stem from this: one reason I long resisted Fran's, ah, urgings that I set up an LJ, was, I see so many shouting matches arising from what started as civilised discussions in which acquaintances and remoter kin and perfect strangers intervened. I prefer, therefore, to keep this centred on the fiction and the Potterverse, and if that means depriving us of the privileges of adult conversation on certain topics, it seems a small price to pay.

Which means only that our discussions of such subjects will be elsewhere than here, for it would be a privilege to talk of these matters with you.
avus From: avus Date: June 20th, 2005 03:07 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Well....

I will, of course, respect your views on these matters, though not so much as to abstain from further urging from time to time.

I couldn't agree with you more about the rantings going on lj. It seems that some sort of alternative, an example would be nice to set up. I would be willing to host it on my lj. And I assure you, I'm fairly good at setting boundaries and enforcing them. (In my field, I have to be.) Civilized discourse on serious topics, especially where there is disagreement is, perhaps, one of the most desperately needed of the lost arts.

Shall I make proposals, or would you suggest something else?

As regards to your skills, you're still ahead of me. I can sing, after a fashion, and conduct, though I haven't done either in many years. I've never rung bells. And I tend to reverse letters & words, mispronounce, and generally do all sorts of imaginative things when reading at sight. So amusing, at least for others. And it's not as if I lack other things to establish my bumbling & eccentric image, not the least of which is a tendency to constantly lose track of things and to look like an unmade bed.

Years ago, when I was doing chant for a small Episcopal service, I was asked... well, I was pushed into doing a reading at the last minute. I'm sure you know that sort of thing. I vividly remember hearing myself, rather than saying "the bowls of the righteous overflowing...", saying instead, "the bowels of the righteous overflowiing..."

At the end, I closed the book with a snap, glared at the priest who pushed me into the reading, and said, firmly, "The word of the Lord."

As I recall, his "Thanks be to God" was unlike any I'd ever heard him say.
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wemyss From: wemyss Date: June 19th, 2005 03:13 pm (UTC) (Link)

Thank You, Kind Jaz.

And you may certainly take whatever role you wish ... Sirius or non-serious. (Cue laughter.) As far as the bad habits go, I'm already past praying for.

Thank you, though, for the warm welcome (28 degrees and no relief in sight. Yes, I know you're suffering also).
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